CBCP: No more talks with Aquino on RH Bill

@ Bobonatangapa. We are mothers and women. We do not want a law to just dictate and use a tyrannical facility like RH Bill. This is democracy and we say it's not for us pINAYs WHO ARE NOT SEX-DRIVEN AND WE DO Not WANT a sex-abusive country for women.and infants bESIDES THE FUNDS WOULD STIR ANOMALIES LIKE FERTILIZER FUND, ZTE, BIR,CUSTOMS ETC.. ANY KIND OF GOVERNMENT PERPETUATING sex all you can, proliferating sex taboos to Grade 5 children. Everytime machos and sex perverts want to use our bodies then avoid responsibility to raise children,work for livelihood and have a Christian loving family! Hindi ninyo makalimutan ang Kastilang Prayle sa Noli Me Tangere, lahat ng panahon at mismo sa pamilya, medisina, judiciary, school, political institutions ay maraming misfits, greedy in flesh o rapists. Hindi kahit sino nagmamalinis, ang kultura at waves of coming generation ang sakop dito. Me reports isang US-based Filipina nagseserve for 23 years sa Women in Crisis gaano kaabuso at paggamit ng pills nagdulot ng sakit at lubhang grabe kultura, epekto ng pills, deaths sa mga nakatira sa U.S.

Maunawaan nyo sana @Blue de la Kanluran na isang Atenista kaya Blue. Meron Free speech so relevant whatever I comment here. You're more fanatics sa blue color mo. Buti pa change mo na lang Mahal ko Diyos o Mahal ko mga Babae, Mahal ko Pilipinas---- gumagawa kayo ng mundo na walang halaga kundi paggamit nyo sa mga Pinay puro sex . Gagawin nyo rin sa probinsya na araw araw condom at contraceptive drugs na nakakacancer . Magresearch nga at magpunta sa OB-GYN .Iba ibang kaso yang pills na idinudulot. Sa Thailand at China madami nagdump ng fetus meron sila RH Bill , sa China me abortion madami pa rin sila. Kaya nga marami sa kanila punta dito mas malala ang buhay ng poverty hindi ninyo alam reports sa US Congress ni Rep. Smith. Sabi nyo nga obserbasyon, mas marami hayok sa laman sa Maynila dagdagn pa internet sex at mga addicts sa drugs na nagrape. Dapat lipulin muna ang mga taong hayok bago isubo sa kababaihan ang mga condom at pills na binabandera ninyo. Bumalik nga kayo sa pananampalataya at ikontrol ninyo ang ganid ninyo sa laman!.Pati Grade 5 cildren kasama sa pagsusubo ng mali tapos ikalat sa kalye nina Cabral yang condoms. Force for RH Bill to become a law defeats our EDSA-freedom. Nakakabili naman kayo ngayon e di me free will at kami na ayaw ngayon e hindi bibili. Punto for punto.

Why, though, does the Catholic Church condemn contraception?

Catholic sources explain that it was in the second century C.E. that professed Christians first adopted a Stoic rule according to which the sole lawful purpose for marital intercourse was procreation. The reasoning behind this position was thus philosophical rather than Biblical. It was based, not on divine wisdom, but on human wisdom. This philosophy persisted down through the centuries and was elaborated on by various Catholic theologians.* The logical outgrowth of this teaching, however, was the idea that sexual pleasure as an end in itself is sinful and, consequently, that sexual relations that exclude the possibility of procreation are immoral. But this is not what the Scriptures teach.

God told the first human couple and Noah’s family: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.” But this command was not repeated to Christians

Using poetic language, the Bible book of Proverbs describes the joy that can result from appropriate sexual intimacies between husband and wife: “Drink water out of your own cistern, and tricklings out of the midst of your own well. . . . Let your water source prove to be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of your youth, a lovable hind and a charming mountain goat. Let her own breasts intoxicate you at all times. With her love may you be in an ecstasy constantly.”—Proverbs 5:15, 18, 19.

Sexual relations between husband and wife are a God-given gift. But procreation is not their sole purpose. Sexual relations also allow a married couple to express tenderness and affection for each another. So if a couple should decide to exclude the possibility of a pregnancy by using some form of contraception, that is their choice to make, and no one should judge them.—Romans 14:4, 10-13.

ang dami na nating batas, naiisakatuparan ba ang mga ito? libre contraceptives para sa lahat,libre rin kaya ito galing sa mga manufacturer? kung hindi libre ,gobyerno ang magbabayad nito sa mga manufacturer ,at magkano ba ang budget para dito?

TO ALL PRO-RH BILL: Let us see the Philippines 10 - 50 years after the RH Bill enacted into law. Be proud and tell your children, especially the girls, that you avidly supported RH Bill during your time

The best solution is to work hard and be responsible, be God-centered. Women only become sex slaves of men's frenzy for flesh and sex. Educating women? we all get it in the internet for free...learn from other countries look at so many dysfunctional families in other countries...good quality of life like Singapore well, their politicians don't have agenda on corruption. Just look today when you're all free because of Cory's moral principles and the church giving a moral backing to her. If only all genders will simmer down on promiscuity...the government curbing smut x-rated influences available around (internet, magazines, DVDs) or just everyone doing their responsible efforts especially youth who take drugs then commit sex crimes, the youth so aggressive and rebellious. The youth are escapists who like pleasures but when responsibility comes they hide away or point finger on church, government anyone but themselves for not heeding good advices from wise elders. When right now you are exercising your choices because there's no law like RH Bill, you have the freedom already, noone dictating you not to use a condom. But for moral good we would rather not have RH Bill to force us and ONly the Poor families will be targets of manipulations of THE powerful Rich and corrupt who will benefit from the allotted mony to by these condoms and pills. OUr children very early will be encouraged to have active sex life...now with just the internet they grab polluted sex ..what more of easily available condoms ...we turn to a SEX High Crime COUNTRY! What we just need is moral responsibility...put faith before reason,,,
Lagman is a big shot in the stream of corrupt politics. He condoned the plunder of our coffers during his alliance with Arroyo government. Bless Pacquiao who was blessed by the Almighty God like he's a small David beating the wicked Goliath. Are we blind that this man with humble beginnings, who became a responsible breadwinner and chose to be a small figure around BIG BAD WOLF Lagman who seemed his morals are shifting from bad to worse...Lagman should be a shame to his great granchildren who will use condom so early n their lives and someday be a @#$% oversexed guru changing sex partners because they think condoms are for safe sex! Filipinos need to have conversion not only to put faith before reason. Humans are proud they can hold Life and destroy it. Aquino should hear some moral advice to her devout Catholic mother who is the Joan of Arc who is a forerunner of our gained freedom after Edsa . Now we enjoy the freedom of family planning, why make a law to bring back a darker imposition of abusive control through RH Bill. The allotted funds to buy pills for contraception for that will only pass on the hands of corrupt politicians and ogres of plunder. It's enough that we enjoy now free choice to this concern of birth planning when the real score is our country is so big we only need to decentralize, uplift the condition of the poor where the Rich should have a strong will and support to address their conditions. Everyone should forged to become responsible especially the sex- obsessed genders (the youth who rebel from the advice of wise elders) High priority should be eyed on internet sex, pedophiles, frenzy of sex population that even drugs make them so wild and daring to pre-marital sex. Let's commit a strong faith to our God---remember he turned water into wine. Even without any miracle, just having faith over reason like Bo Sanchez and Arun Gogna who preach on faith and doing a price for hardwork-- Let's not be influenced by Western culture that continue to bring ill effects of drugs, dysfunctional families into the world, too much sex exploitation We are only temporary players in a brief journey here so let's only be responsible people, responsible bread winners, responsible clean government responsible children to parents as as well as parents to our children! The youth of Rizal is not sex-obsessed!

RH Bill matagal na Issue yan dapat meron na desisyon.. Goverment Officials, itigil nyo na insultuhan sa Senado hindi naman kayo nag mumukhang matalino dahil magaling kayong mang insulto instead nag mumukha kayo mga bata nag papagalingan at nag aasaran. ' SA PANANALITA NAKIKITA ANG TUNAY NA PAG KATAO NG ISANG TAO " at hindi katapangan ang tangalan mo na ng dignidad ang kapwa mo lalo na kung nasa senado kayo kasi nag papakita lang na walang kayong pag galang sa isat isa at hindi kayo karapat dapat na igalang. Hindi naman siguro mahirap ipag laban mo ang pinapaniwalaan mo na walang ka iinsultuhin na tao.

Here’s my take on the RH Bill and why, despite maintaining objectivity, questions cloud my mind :

1. Ligation at no cost to indigent mothers at their request in public hospitals. We know very well that indigent people do not have any bargaining power whenever they come down from the mountains and struggle to survive in the cities. Will the indigent mothers have an informed choice about this? And why border on the indigents? Is there a trace of racism in this bill? Given that public hospitals are owned by government, surely they will have the mandate to perform these services, but at the expense of the unwitting indigent mother. And what about the indigent fathers? Don’t they have a say on these crucial issue that would affect their family life?

2.Massive info drive on methods and techniques to prevent unwanted, unplanned pregnancies. The law presupposes that certain pregnancies are unwanted. Yes, some may be unplanned, but UNWANTED??? Don’t we all advocate, regardless of our respective religion, that LIFE should be valued and accorded with respect? How can our laws permeate our minds and hearts to say the child we bear is unwanted?

3.Strengthen capacities to ensure safe, high quality, accessible and affordable rh services? Define RH SERVICES? For lack of definition in the bill, it leaves to open interpretation and that sends shivers to the spine. Where did the term “Reproductive Health” come from anyway? Experts say it comes from countries where abortion is legal. While abortion is not legal in the Philippines, by acceptance of the RH bill, where does government stand on the issue of ABORTION viewed side by side international laws. We need to know.

4.RH care refers to availability of and access to a FULL RANGE of methods, techniques and services that prevent and solve reproductive health-related PROBLEMS such as STDs by making contraceptives as essential medicine? So, this is what government proposes to teach our children? Instead of focusing on values such as respect and dignity, we teach children to enjoy safe sex since contraceptives are being sold the same way we buy Medicol??? So, you want to tell me I can ask a 10 year old girl to buy condoms for her 15-year old brother? That is the kind of situation that can happen if this bill is passed. Utter moral degradation.

5.Why include a provision on ideal family size, while stating there are no PUNITIVE ACTION imposed on parents having more than 2 children, why even bother to state it? Looks to me it is a prelude to something...

6.Lastly, this bill touches on SUSTAINABLE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT as it envisions to give its populace a decent standard of living thru ADEQUATE RESOURCES and HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT. No argument there, we all want that. But what is degrading to Filipinos is not that we are poor because we have mouths to feed far more than we can afford. Ask Filipino mothers and even fathers, it will not be a surprise if they will reply with a sheepish smile, a happy aura that registers satisfaction in the fact that children to us are blessings. While many are poor because of poor decisions, Filipinos do not complain because of the number of their children. What demoralizes us is the UTTER GREED and CORRPUTION that kills us Filipinos. People in government should not look far, should not waste years trying to make this bill look right, and waste resources doing it. This country has been raped many times over and its people are struggling to survive, when there are bountiful resources good enough for everyone. It’s staring at them right down under their noses. Of course, they are enjoying the fame, fortune and lifestyle too much to give it up.

To the authors of this bill and to the Congressmen and Senators who will rule on it, may our HOLY SPIRIT touch the inner recesses of your hearts, where your clean conscience dwells. Where Jesus Christ dwells. He is there in each one of us.

i have a proposition for the CBCP. Make all catholic schools FREE. may plano pang magtaas ng tuition fee ng 10% yata e bilyong piso naman ang kinikita nila taon taon. gawin nilang public school ang UST, La Salle, pati narin yung dati kong school, Marist school. ang mahal ng tuition fee ngayon tapos ang sarap ng buhay ng mga 'brothers'. pakshet.

Para lumiit populasyon at tumaas IQ rating ng mga Pilipino i-sterilize ang mga kurakot, magnanakaw, kriminal, mga depektibo ang isip at katawan. Unahin muna sa gobyerno.

To all ANTI RH here,

you guys said that we need to respect the teachings of the church right. and the church got those teaching from the bible. well let me share something:

‎1 Timothy 5:8
But if a man makes no provision for those dependent on him, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is behaving worse than an unbeliever.

I assume these bishops know this. I SUPPORT RH BILL

I'm a christian but this is too crazy. They say that the government is kinda forcing people to use condoms but the problem is nowhere in the bill does it state that we HAVE to use condoms. Its still up to the person if he/she wants to use it.Ita not like if we have sex we will be arrested cause we didnt use a condom. Secondly, the fact of the matter is not everyone in this country is christian. We have muslims and atheists but you dont here much, if any complaints from their leaders. The PROBLEM HERE IS THE CBCP. They think that they own the highest form of power here in the country, but that power still lies with the government. And that power is used for the greater good of the country, not just us Filipinos. To voice out opinions is one thing, but to add to the fact that they are threatening to excommunicate Pres. Aquino is ridiculous because he is just keeping the goodwill of the country in mind.

My understanding is that life begins with the fertilization of the female cell by the male germ cell (at least for us, humans). Without fertilization, there's no life or fetus to be aborted? Abortion means the expulsion of the premature fetus from the mother's womb so that it does not live. The Church believes that life begins before fertilization thus the problem in RH Bill. Nevertheless, we agree that Life is precious. We understand that the government is doing everything to improve the lives of its citizens albeit its scarce resources. Can the Church match the effort of the government in this aspect?

This maybe a little irrelevant but since there are so many posters here lambasting Catholic Church with regards to MONEY, I will post this simple comparison & calculation. Nakuha ko lang po ito sa forum sa Facebook (salamat sa nag-post), nakasulat duon yung sektang kinumparahan ngunit gagawin ko lang pong "xxx" dito para walang ma-offend. Heto po yun:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andaming sinisingil sa Simbahang Katoliko.....

Bayad sa Binyag.
Bayad sa Kasal.
Bayad sa House Blessings.
Bayad sa padasal sa patay.
Bayad sa mga pamisa.

=====================

disscus po naten.... sino ba talaga ang nag nenegosyo?
presyohan po naten ang sinasabi ni ron....

Bayad sa Binyag.......................... p500.00
Bayad sa Kasal............................. p500.00
Bayad sa House Blessings................. p500.00
Bayad sa padasal sa patay................. p500.00
Bayad sa mga pamisa........................ p500.00
-------------------------------------------------------------------
total 2,500 .00

sapat na ba itong sabihin na ang simbahang katoliko ay negosyo?

ang buhay ng tao ay umaabot ng 85 years old.... so negosyo na ba itong

maituturing ? HINDI.... ito ay pag aalay po lamang....

IKUMPARTA NATIN SA ISANG "xxx" MEMBER....

Bayad sa Binyag.......................... LIBRE
Bayad sa Kasal............................. LIBRE
Bayad sa House Blessings................ LIBRE
Bayad sa padasal sa patay............... LIBRE.
Bayad sa mga pamisa..................... LIBRE

................................. aba walang gastoss.....

pero ipinatutupad sa "xxx" ang 10% ikapo....

sa isang TAO (member) na sumusweldo ng 2100 pesos bawat linggo...

210 pesos bawat pagsamba bilang ikapu....

huwebes 210 pesos...
linggo 210 pesos....

apat na huwebes sa isang buwan 840 pesos
apat na linggo sa isang buwan 840 pesos...
................................. total 1680 pesos...sa isang buwan...

12 na buwan sa isang tao...20160 pesos...

3 milion ang kasapi ng "xxx"........... 60,480,000,000 isang taon...

sa isang tao na mabubuhay ng 85 years old......1,713,600

==================================

kumpara sa isang katoliko

Bayad sa Binyag.......................... p500.00
Bayad sa Kasal............................. p500.00
Bayad sa House Blessings................. p500.00
Bayad sa padasal sa patay................. p500.00
Bayad sa mga pamisa........................ p500.00
..............................................2500 pesos ang total....

SINO ANG RELIHIYONG NEGOSYO?

EXCERPT FROM: LIHAM NI RIZAL SA MGA KADALAGAHAN NG MALOLOS

"Ang kabanala'y wala sa pulpol na ilong, at ang kahalili ni Kristo'y di-kilala sa halikang kamay. Si Kristo'y di humalik sa mga Pariseo, hindi nagpahalik kailan pa man; hindi niya pinataba ang mayayaman at palalong eskribas; wala siyang binanggit na kalmen, walang pinapagkuwintas, hiningan ng pamisa, at di napabayad sa kanyang pananalangin. Di napaupa si San Juan sa ilog ng Jordan, gayundin si Kristo sa kanyang pangangaral. Bakit ngayon, ang mga pari'y walang bigong kilos na di may hinging upa? At gutom pa halos; nagbibili ng mga kalmen, kuwintas, korea at iba't iba pang pandaya ng salapi, pampasama sa kaluluwa; sapagka't kalminin mo man ang lahat ng basahan sa lupa, kuwintasin mo man ang lahat ng kahoy sa bundok, ibilibid mo man sa iyong baywang ang lahat ng balat ng hayop, at ang lahat ng ito'y pagkapaguran mang pagkurus-kurusin at pagbulung-bulungan ng lahat ng pari sa sandaigdigan, at iwisik man ang lahat ng tubig sa dagat, ay di-mapapalinis ang maruming loob, di-mapapatawad ang walang pagsisisi. Gayundin, sa kasakiman sa salapi'y maraming ipinagbawal, na matutubos kapag ikaw ay nagbayad, alin na nga sa di pagkain ng karne, pag-aasawa sa pinsan, kumpare at iba pa, na ipinapahintulot kapag ikaw ay sumuhol. Bakit, nabibili baga ang Diyos at nasisilaw sa salaping paris nga ng mga pari? Ang magnanakaw na tumubos ng "bula de composicion," ay makakaasa ng tahimik, na siya'y pinatawad: samakatwid ay ibig ng Diyos na makikain ng nakaw? Totoo bagang hirap na ang Maykapal, na nakikigaya na sa mga "guarda," karabineros o "guardia civil?" Kung ito ang Diyos na sinasamba ng prayle, ay tumatalikod ako sa ganyang diyos."

We should not fear of excommunication from the Church. The church with all the Damasos must fear being excommunicated by the enlightened populace.

What does the Bible say about birth control? Should Christians use birth control?

Answer: Man was commissioned by God “to be fruitful and multiply” (Genesis 1:28). Marriage was instituted by God as a stable environment in which to produce and raise children. Sadly, children today are sometimes considered a nuisance and a burden. They stand in the way of people’s career paths and financial goals, and they “crimp our style” socially. Often, this type of selfishness is at the root of contraceptive use.

Contrary to the self-centeredness behind some birth control usage, the Bible presents children as a gift from God (Genesis 4:1; Genesis 33:5). Children are a heritage from the Lord (Psalm 127:3-5). Children are a blessing from God (Luke 1:42). Children are a crown to the aged (Proverbs 17:6). God blesses barren women with children (Psalm 113:9; Genesis 21:1-3; 25:21-22; 30:1-2; 1 Samuel 1:6-8; Luke 1:7, 24-25). God forms children in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16). God knows children before their birth (Jeremiah 1:5; Galatians 1:15).

The closest that Scripture comes to specifically condemning birth control is Genesis chapter 38, the account of Judah's sons Er and Onan. Er married a woman named Tamar, but he was wicked and the Lord put him to death, leaving Tamar with no husband or children. Tamar was given in marriage to Er's brother, Onan, in accordance with the law of levirate marriage in Deuteronomy 25:5-6. Onan did not want to split his inheritance with any child that he might produce on his brother's behalf, so he practiced the oldest form of birth control, withdrawal. Genesis 38:10 says, “What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so He put him to death also.” Onan's motivation was selfish: he used Tamar for his own pleasure, but refused to perform his legal duty of creating an heir for his deceased brother. This passage is often used as evidence that God does not approve of birth control. However, it was not explicitly the act of contraception that caused the Lord to put Onan to death; it was Onan’s selfish motives behind the action.

It is important to view children as God sees them, not as the world tells us we should. Having said that, the Bible does not forbid contraception. Contraception, by definition, is merely the opposite of conception. It is not the act of contraception itself that determines whether it is wrong or right. As we learned from Onan, it is the motivation behind the contraception that determines if it is right or wrong. If a married couple is practicing contraception in order to have more for themselves, then it is wrong. If a couple is practicing contraception in order to temporarily delay children until they are more mature and more financially and spiritually prepared, then it is perhaps acceptable to use contraception for a time. Again, it all comes back to motivation.

The Bible always presents having children as a good thing. The Bible “expects” that a husband and wife will have children. The inability to have children is always presented in Scripture as a bad thing. There is no one in the Bible who expressed a desire not to have any children. At the same time, it cannot be argued from the Bible that it is explicitly wrong to use birth control for a limited time. All married couples should seek the Lord’s will in regards to when they should try to have children and how many children they seek to have.

Recommended Resource: Christian Ethics: Contemporary Issues & Options, Second Edition by Norm Geisler.

these are terrorist priests that hold your catholicism as hostage.

follow them or face the consequences, they demand.

will you negotiate with terrorists?

mind you pabagsak na ang catholism sa bansa dahil sa mga ipoktritong namumuno d2... from 99% catholic down to 80% at sa percentage na yan majority pa nyan pro RH bill - paano pa kung ma approved ang RH bill at mabawasan ng lubha ang unwanted pregnancies? mas malamang very significant mababawas lalo sa percentage na yan - di naman nila pwedeng gawin yung ginawa nila dati sa mga ninuno nating filipino na papatayin pag hindi umanib sa kanila - at lalong wala silang alam sa bible paano magpalaganap ng salita ng Diyos. meron bang bansa na naging katoliko dahil sa tinanggap ang aral ng walang pananakot? parang RH Bill din yan... pag nag PRO ka - dami nilang pananakot na ginagawa sa gov't at maging sa members nila mismo (exccommunication?) esep esep mga saradong katoliko... kung may free will lng noong panahong dumating ang kastila sa atin.. palagay nyo ba katoliko mga lolo at lola nyo? walang takutang involve. :))

If this goes on and on everything will back fire on the church and the CBCP.... we are now opening the Holy bible and comparing the doctrine of the Church...Jesus Christ say`s we have only one GOD and it is the FATHER, why do they call the Pope as " Holy Father", is he the God? Why do the Church letting it`s flock to venerate and pray on their knees at the Statues of the Saints, this is wrong.. it`s in the Holy Bible? People wake up....Read the Holy Bible.

Why Fear EXCOMMUNICATION from the church? They do not have authority over your soul. If a cult or religion instills fear in the hearts of men, then who is the real EVIL? WAKE UP PEOPLE !